Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 9:19 AM:
Schools in the SEMO area are very diverse when it comes to athletes, however it's a lack of such when it comes to coaching. Is race a problem in this area schools, or is it simply a lack of interest from possible minorities for positions.
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get out of here.. Charleston, SCC, NMCC, Poplar bluff.. this is the stupidest thing ever even in professional sports.. bc when they do get an interview and don't get hired then they complain that they were taken seriously..
-- Posted by Thot McGee on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 10:28 AM
I believe he is talking about Football.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 10:30 AM
Considering your from Chaffee, that's the type of comment I'd expect. This was a football post "BuckMajor", however, the fact that "sportsnerd" listed 4 schools who have minority basketball coaches lets look at it on a bigger scale.
Look at it like this...MSHSAA considers sports:
* Baseball
* Basketball
* Cross Country
* Field Hockey
* 11-Man Football
* 8-Man Football
* Golf
* Lacrosse
* Soccer
* Softball
* Swimming and Diving
* Tennis
* Track and Field
* Volleyball
* Water Polo
* Wrestling
Not all these sports are played in the SEMO area, but "sportsnerd" was able to list 4 minority head coaches for Basketball. I fill my question is something realistic.
-- Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 10:52 AM
how many coaches are applying? if one doesn't apply do you need to go out of your way to contact them? I don't want to hire someone who doesn't apply bc they obviously don't want the job..
-- Posted by Thot McGee on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 11:04 AM
and my post wasn't just about basketball.. my statements I made apply to all sports.. if they apply for hockey and don't get hired then they'll complain they weren't ever considered seriously.. I think it's an insult to minorities honestly., its like saying hey your not getting hired but we'll throw you a bone. that's more a slap in the face then not interviewing them
-- Posted by Thot McGee on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 11:06 AM
That's a great point, just hard for me to believe that with the lack of teaching and coaching jobs statewide, none are applying. The SEMO area is still a little back dated when it comes to race relations just my opinion.
-- Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 11:08 AM
You can't make a school or team higher someone they don't want just to so that the public doesn't look down on you. you have to go with what you think is best for your school or team
-- Posted by Thot McGee on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 11:21 AM
What are you basing your opinion on? Have you been to each and every SEMO school and asked to see who are applying for coaching jobs? If you haven't, then you are just assuming there is a problem. There are not very many football schools in SEMO compared to the rest of the state, then throw in the fact that Head Coaches rarely get fired around here. You may see a few coaches get hired every couple years so the body of reference really isn't that much. I think your making a NON issue an issue.
-- Posted by Cheesehead. on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 11:21 AM
I see both sides and I think all parties above have made valid points. I am not from southeast Missouri, but have formed some opinions based on observations. 1) It would be awesome for the students in ALL area schools if they had a diverse group of role models and mentors serving on the school's faculty and staff, with diverse backgrounds and life experiences. 2) There are undoubtedly not enough qualified applicants for these positions. 3) There are many area administrators and school board members who are just fine with #2.
As far as the NFL goes, I understand why they instituted the Rooney Rule, and think it has probably had a positive effect. But I think any human being with any pride and dignity would take it as an insult when it is apparent that the only reason they were interviewed is because of their race. I don't know the best solution. If I were an owner, I would pay the fine rather than insult someone by wasting their time if I did not consider them a serious candidate.
-- Posted by Lippy Radeck on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 12:41 PM
**I meant to say that there are not enough qualified MINORITY candidates who apply for those positions on my second point. Big difference.
-- Posted by Lippy Radeck on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 12:43 PM
Great post Lippy! If the lack of minorities not being hired as head coaches in the above mentioned sports wasn't an issue, the NFL and other major sports leagues wouldn't be discussing this issue.
-- Posted by Highriser on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 1:05 PM
Cheesehead , this topic started under a football post, because that's the relation that the Roney Rule is most associated with. Then it was shifted to all sports. Just curious, I see your post relating to Caurthersville sports often, so I have to ask, a question you may know the answer to.
Where their not any qualified minority applicants that applied for the Basketball coaching position you guys had last year?
It's a fact that demographics steer some coaches away from certain schools and towns.
-- Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 3:03 PM
I honestly couldn't tell you who all applied for the job at Caruthersville. There were rumors as to who was going to apply but I really don't know who all did.
-- Posted by Cheesehead. on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 3:18 PM
Understandable , the point of this topic was to see if anyone else raised an eyebrow to the lack of minority coaches in the SEMO area, not to bash or question anyone ethics regarding race relations.
-- Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 3:34 PM
I lived in Southeast Missouri my whole life. I've never heard of it being a problem before or people making a fuss over it. I'm sure there are people out there who question it, but it's not a big enough issue for them to cause a stir in the area over it. At the high school level, I don't think it's a big deal honestly. If you want to talk College and Pro's, then yeah, you could have an arguement there.
-- Posted by Cheesehead. on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 3:40 PM
minorities apply for jobs, for instant, i am from clarkton and know that minorities applied for teaching positions, but were passed up and the school board and administration hired people who were way less qualified for jobs, that is a fact, this same thinking corresponds to coaching job in the SEMO area.
-- Posted by kdjones on Fri, Feb 1, 2013, at 3:44 PM
Hook, line, and sinker....
-- Posted by Rocket689 on Sat, Feb 2, 2013, at 3:00 PM
Yes we need that MOST schools in this area miorities do not have a chance to get hired the coaches are 96% black and from maybe sikeston charleston down to steele its mostly black athletes
-- Posted by SouthEspn on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 12:30 PM
That's right...FIRE Coach Gibbs in Sikeston since he just got put into the Hall of Fame..He's the wrong color..
-- Posted by crackerjack on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 1:03 PM
No one said fire anyone its just the ratio of minority players to minority coaches is mind blowing just saying maybe this should be looked into
-- Posted by SouthEspn on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 1:52 PM
And after you look into it what do you do? Say, oh yeah, there a a big ratio here. We already know that. Complete waste of time.
-- Posted by crackerjack on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 2:06 PM
What about the ratio of minority qualified applicants to non-minority qualified? You have to be qualified and apply for a job to be considered.
-- Posted by yah-yah on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 2:12 PM
It's been 2 head coaching postions in SEMO this offseason, Kennett and Dexter, now it looks like the Hayti coach have left to go to Dexter, you think any minority coaches applied or got a serious consideration at Kennett, or Dexter, and now with Hayti coach leaving, what you think will happen?
With all the coaching change I haven't heard one minoirty coach named mention, I'm starting to think it may not be any black coaches in the area ?
-- Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 2:17 PM
Yah-Yah valid point.
-- Posted by PoliticalCorrect on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 2:20 PM
I cannot take this topic seriously unless there is any evidence of minority coaches applying for these jobs in any amount of quantity, much less quality. You simply cannot hire what is not there.
-- Posted by Bill Shakespeare on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 3:07 PM
What's going to happen in approximately 2060 when it's projected whites are going to be a "minority"? My point is at this point in time the usage of the word minority is irrelevant, the best, most qualified person SHOULD get the job regardless of race or color.
-- Posted by 6+4+3=2 on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 7:30 PM
Oh, I'm sorry.. For not realizing we were debating 47 years in the future. As for quality goes I have heard no complaints in the area that a coach of a different quality or race should've been hired instead.
-- Posted by Bill Shakespeare on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 7:50 PM
Boy Bill you're a little fiesty one, aren't you. HAHA
-- Posted by jwhitlock on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 7:54 PM
why do no Asians gets head jobs?
-- Posted by ThayerPops on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 8:18 PM
In all seriousness, the most qualified applicant should get the job, regardless of the job and regardless of race.
-- Posted by jwhitlock on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 8:22 PM
Was just illustrating my point Billy Shakes. Sorry for not realizing I needed to explain that
-- Posted by 6+4+3=2 on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 9:33 PM
Oh I know what you mean Mr. Double Play, I just liked to mess around and use wit!
-- Posted by Bill Shakespeare on Tue, Mar 12, 2013, at 10:33 PM
what a dumb @$$ blog
-- Posted by DA#1OLDCAT on Wed, Mar 13, 2013, at 8:41 AM
hows that for correct
-- Posted by DA#1OLDCAT on Wed, Mar 13, 2013, at 8:42 AM
Of all the things I could have spent my time doing I read this instead... Thanks for wasting 2 minutes of my life with this thread.
-- Posted by Perrywinkle on Wed, Mar 13, 2013, at 11:39 PM
I grew up in Sikeston and for the most part there are not a lot of African American Teachers. Most School Districts (at least in Arizona) want U to be a Certified Teacher in order to be a Head Coach. If that is the case then it would require more of the African-Americans to become Teachers.
Also most of the Athletes once they graduate very seldom come back to their home town. Most of my classmates are up in St. Louis, KC, Memphis or Atlanta. Only a few came back to Sikeston.
Now as far as diversity I do feel that the Staffs should at least have some minorities on there. U need coaches who can relate to the Athletes (I am not saying that a White Coach cannot relate) but kids relate better to those of their own kind.
-- Posted by CoachJ914 on Wed, Mar 13, 2013, at 11:56 PM
TheDaddy-
There are those that might make the argument that every second you've ever spent on this site has been a waste of your time.
-- Posted by Lippy Radeck on Thu, Mar 14, 2013, at 9:57 AM
Give us the numbers of what percentage of minorities go to college, graduate college with teaching degrees, and apply for coaching positions. Then you will have the proper info to have this discussion, otherwise your p@#ing in the wind.
-- Posted by attitude and effort on Thu, Mar 14, 2013, at 12:57 PM
I cannot speak for Missouri because I no longer live there. But I myself am a teacher and I am the Head JV Coach at my school and the Head Track & Field Coach. I have had the opportunity come across the table to lead a football program but did not have the desire to do so. At the time felt I was not ready. If the opportunity comes again I will do so.
-- Posted by CoachJ914 on Thu, Mar 14, 2013, at 3:04 PM
my fiance says that... :(
-- Posted by Perrywinkle on Thu, Mar 14, 2013, at 8:30 PM
Schools in the SEMO area are very diverse when it comes to athletes, however it's a lack of such when it comes to coaching. Is race a problem in this area schools, or is it simply a lack of interest from possible minorities for positions.
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