Posted by gregbrown80 on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 5:01 PM:
I saw where Jackson is playing in Carbondale at the Saluki Showcase. Does anyone know anything about this shootout, who is playing?
Wish it was on another day, besides December 6th. I'm heading to Marshal County for the hoopfest. This is my first year going to Marshal County, has anyone been to this hoopfest. I know they always have the cream of the crop talent.
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Saluki showcase schedule is:
5Pm. Herrin vs. Mascoutah
6:30. Christopher vs. Waltonville
8:00. Carbondale vs. Jackson
9:30. Marion vs. Belleville East
Jackson game is supposed to be the "Feature game"
Don't know much about any of those other teams but looking forward to seeing Jackson open their season!
-- Posted by IndianPride on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 5:43 PM
Hoopfest is awesome. I have been going to it since it first started. Always a great event. It's headlined by mane of the top teams in the nation. Lots of former players are now in the NBA. It's great because of the talent and the close proximity. The same guy who started to Hoopfest, Steve Woodward also puts on the the Penny Hardaway Hoopfest in Memphis in late Jan, and another Hoopfest in Las Vegas. Oak Hill Academy is usually the team to watch, but other great teams have come through.
Here are the nationally know players coming this year.
Nationally Ranked Players
SENIORS
#5 Emmanuel Muday 6'5 190 PG Prime Prep SOUTHERN METHODIST
* Boonville, IN Summer League (beat Gibson Southern-IN, Castle-IN, Boonville-IN, Mater Dei-IN (jv),
Evansville Memorial-IN Overall Record 5-0
* Overall Summer Record 26-0
* 35.0 ppg
University Tennessee Elite Camp
* Made the All-Star Team
* Compared to former UT Lady Vol and three time National
Champion Kelly Jolly by Coach Pat Summitt
Sophomore Season (2011-2012)
1st Team - Illinois Basketball Coach's Association (IBCA)
Class 2A All-State Team
1st Team - Unanimous - AP - Class 2A All-State
Records held at Mt. Carmel:
Most Points in a game - 53
Most Points in a season - 1,121
Most Free Throws Made in a season - 283 (twice)
Most 3 point shots made in a season - 110
Most 2 point shots made in a season - 254
Most steals in a season -- 161
Regional & Sectional 3 Point Contestant
1,121 Points for the season
First Team - Toyota Classic
First Team - Eldorado Tournament
Finished the year with 35 ppg average
Max Preps #1 H.S. Scorer in the Nation as of 11/29/2011
First Team - Robinson Invitational Tournament 140 points scored in 4 games (game high 46)
Junior Season (2012-13)
Named 2013 Illinois Ms. Basketball by the Chicago Tribune and the Illinois Basketball Coaches Association!!!
MaxPreps has Tyra as #1 scorer for girl's basketball in the nation for 2012-2013
Tyra is named First Team IBCA (Illinois Basketball Coaches Association)
First Team All- State for the third straight year.
Set Illinois scoring record for one season with 1,285 points surpassing the mark set by ERHS & Ohio State
Alumnus Brittney Johnson
Set MCHS record for most points in a game - 54 points
Set MCHS record for most steals in a season - 200 steals
1st Junior to ever achieve 3,000 career points in their 3rd season playing
1st Team - Toyota Classic
1st Team - Robinson Tournament
1st Team - Eldorado Tournament (3rd straight year - MVP)
New Record - 1/19/13 - 54 points in a game (Mt. Carmel record and Duff/Kingston Gym (Eldorado) Record.
All Big 8 Conference
2011, 2012 & 2013 Regional Champions - Class 1A (First 3-peat for Girl's Basketball at MCHS)
2011, 2012 & 2013 Eldorado Tournament Champions - Tyra Buss (Most Valuable Player ALL 3 years)
ILLINOIS HIGH SCHOOL ASSOCIATION (IHSA) GIRLS BASKETBALL ALL-TIME RECORDS
RANK RECORD
#1 Most Points Scored in a Season (1285) -- (2012-2013 Season)
#1 Most Free Throws Made in a Career (880) -- (2010-2013)
#1 Highest Scoring Average in a Career (35.3) -- (2010-2013)
#1 Most Field Goals Made in a Season (445) -- (2012-2013)
#2 Most Points Scored in a Career (3431) -- (2010-2013)
#2 Most Free Throws made in a Season (314 of 404) -- (2012-2013 Season)
#3 Most Free Throws made in a Season (283 of 333) -- (2011-2012 Season)
#3 Most Free Throws made in a season (283 of 342) -- (2010-2012 Season)
#3 Highest Scoring Average in a Season (38.9) -- (2012-2013)
#4 Most Points Scored in a Season (1,121 points) -- (2011-2012 Season)
#4 Most Field Goals Made in a Career (1132) -- ( 2010-2013)
#5 Most Free Throws Made in a Game (24) -- vs. Evansville Bosse High, Evansville, IN. December 20, 2011
#7 Most Field Goals Made in a Season (364) -- (2011-2012 Season)
#7 Most Points Scored in a Season (1,025 points) -- (2010-2011 Season)
#7 Most Steals in a Season (200) -- (2012-2013)
#9 Most Free Throws Made in a Game (22) vs Gibson Southern High Fort Branch, IN. December 21, 2011
#9 Most 3-Point Field Goals made in a Career (287) - (2010-2012)
#9 Most 3-Point Field Goals Made in a Season (110) -- (2011-2012 Season)
#11 Highest Scoring Average in a Season (35.0) -- (2011-2012 Season)
#11 Most Free Throws Made in a Game (21) -- vs. Evansville North High Evansville, IN. January 2, 2012
#14 Most Field Goals Made in a Game (19) vs Vincennes, IN January 24, 2013
#16 Most Consecutive Free Throws Made in a Season (26) -- January 15-18, 2013
#16 Most Steals in a Game (13) vs Washington November 15, 2012
#18 Most Field Goals Made in a Season (323) - (2010-2011 Season)
#18 Most Steals in a Career (498) - (2010-2013)
#20 Most Free Throws in a Game (19) vs Goreville January 19, 2014
#20 Most 3-Point Field Goals Made in a Season (96) - (2010-2011 Season)
#20 Highest Scoring Average in a Season (32.0) - (2010-2011 Season)
#20 Most Field Goals Made in a Game (18) vs Wood Memorial 12/20/12
#34 Most Points Scored in a Game (54) vs Goreville January 19, 2013
#41 Most Points Scored in a Game (53) vs Evansville Bosse December 20, 2011
#49 Most Points Scored in a Game (52) vs Evansville Reitz January 31, 2011
Tyra scored the most points in Illinois history by a Freshman scoring 1,025 her Freshman year (2010-2011).
Tyra is the fastest girl in Illinois history to score 2,000 points (2,146) (2010-2012)
Tyra is the fastest girl in Illinois history to score 2,000 points (3431) 2010-2013)
Tyra is the only girl in Illinois to score more than 1,000 points for first three seasons
She is the 1st Junior (boy or girl) to achieve 3,00 points in their 3rd year of varsity.
Signed with Indiana University
-- Posted by PB2NBA on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 7:06 PM
Wow. The Hoopfest sounds amazing. Almost think I should go there instead of watching my hometown Jackson Indians. But I'll be in Carbondale. Go Indians!!
-- Posted by IndianPride on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 8:20 PM
Jackson actually won the very first game of the Hoopfest, back in 96
Justin Keen was the MVP of the game.
-- Posted by PB2NBA on Sat, Nov 23, 2013, at 11:30 PM
Anyone out there from Southern Illinois or know anything about Carbondale basketball. Or any of the other teams that will be there?
-- Posted by IndianPride on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 8:36 PM
Carbondale
Last year, the Carbondale Terriers improved from 7-21 to finish with a 19-10 record and a regional title. The Terriers improved to fifth in the conference (4-6).
This year, coach Jim Miller returns all five starters with the hope his Terriers are ready to make a serious run for conference for the first time since the 2006-07 season.
"I think it's within our grasp to compete for the conference," Miller said. "What I like about this team is its versatility and chemistry and I think our depth is going to be pretty good. I think it could be a very exciting year."
Leading the list of returning starters are senior co-MVPs, shooting guard Devontavius Payne and small forward Shamarc Bursey.
"Devon led us in scoring last year and I think his presence will put a lot of pressure on defenses," Miller said. "His game has evolved where it's more than just a spot up shooter. Shamarc usually draws the best offensive performer to defend and he's going to be a more integral part in our offense this year."
The other returning starters are senior wing guard/forward Elijah Bidinger, junior point guard Allen Billinger and junior center Jordan Kelly. Also back is senior center/forward Anthony Day.
"Elijah has vastly improved over the course of the last eight months as far as his consistent perimeter game goes," Miller said. "Allen has some gifts. He can shoot the ball, get to the basket, distribute the ball and defend. I thought Jordan made the most progress of anybody last year. He earned a starting spot by the middle of the year. Anthony as a role player does a phenomenal job."
Juniors: ALLEN BILLINGER, 6-0, g; JORDAN KELLY, 6-6, c.
-- Posted by whistleone on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 9:44 PM
Getting to play at the SIU Arena will be a treat. Love that place.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 9:58 PM
Whistleone. Great info. Thank you. Walt. Never been to SIU arena but am sure it will be cool for the kids. Gotta be like playing in the Christmas tournament at SEMO but on a much higher level.
-- Posted by IndianPride on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 10:23 PM
Yes, since it has been redone it is really nice. I prefer it over the Show-Me-Center.
-- Posted by Radar99 on Mon, Nov 25, 2013, at 10:27 PM
Kentucky commit Trey Lyles breaks his schools all time scoring record as his Arsenal Tech leads Ballard 24-2 after the 1st. Lyles has 9 points, 5 rebounds, and 1 steal.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 12:25 PM
Tech up 41-33 at half. Louisville commit Quetin Snider a big reason for Ballards comeback.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 12:42 PM
Coach Cal will be there for the night games to watch Trey Lyles and Devin Booker. Also Huntington Preps Montique Gill-Cesear who everyone sees as a big Kentucky lean.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 12:48 PM
Tech 59-52 after 3. Trey Lyles 18 points 10 rebounds
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:07 PM
Tech ball with 25.6 left. Ballard leads 78-77.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:29 PM
Headed to overtime!
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:33 PM
:34.7 left in OT: Arsenal Tech 85, Ballard 84.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:41 PM
Kentuckys Trey Lyles' Arsenal Tech defeats the No. 1-ranked Bruins 87-84 in overtime.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:44 PM
Trey Lyles had 27 points and double-digit rebounds.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:47 PM
Lyles gets MVP.
Next game is Huntington Prep (MGC school and former school of Andrew Wiggins, kinda becoming the new Oak Hill) vs. Atlanta Sports Academy. Yes ASA is a high school. Glad we don't have those in Missouri, we freak out over public and private schools.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 1:54 PM
Official stat line for Trey Lyles: 30 points, 19 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks, 2 steals. 10/16 FGs. 9/14 FTs.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 2:24 PM
Huntington Prep is leading Atlanta Sports Academy 30-13 early in the 2nd quarter. HPrep might be better this season than last.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 2:25 PM
Halftime: Huntington Prep 48, Atlanta Sports Academy 21.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 2:40 PM
HP up 69-31 after 3. I truly believe they could compete with some college teams. Their match up with Lyles Tech team tonight should be a great one!
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 3:09 PM
Final: Huntington Prep 72, Atlanta Sports Academy 46
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 3:22 PM
UK recruit Montaque Gill-Caesar led Huntington Prep with 19 points in 24 mins. 7/10 on FGs in win over Atlanta Sports Academy.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 3:46 PM
Final: No. 7 Hopkinsville 79, Marshall County 60
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 5:17 PM
King Cal about to enter the Marshall County Hoopfest.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 6:44 PM
Saluki Showcase is re-scheduled for Saturday, January 18th. Times to be announced.
-- Posted by IndianPride on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 6:48 PM
In the first 46 secs of the game UK commit Devin Booker has buried a 3 and slammed down a dunk off a missed shot.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 7:25 PM
Booker now has 7 points in 3 min and has played all 5 positions for his team. Moss Point leads 7-6
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 7:28 PM
Halftime: Ballard 36, Moss Point 32. UK signee Devin Booker has 16 points.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 8:03 PM
End of 3Q: Ballard 65, Moss Point 54. Devin Booker has 31 points, 17/20 on FTs.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 8:34 PM
Booker with two big dunks in 4th. One right handed and one left handed.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 8:46 PM
Final: Ballard 92, Moss Point 71. Kentucky signee Devin Booker had 40 points.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 8:56 PM
End of 3Q: Huntington Prep 36, Arsenal Tech 33. Trey Lyles has 13 points for Tech.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 10:11 PM
Arsenal Tech 54, Huntington Prep 51. JaQuan Lyle's three at the buzzer just misses.UK's Trey Lyles had 22 points.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 10:49 PM
14 rebounds for Lyles.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sat, Dec 7, 2013, at 10:52 PM
@ BuckMajor
Huntington Prep, is not the new Oak Hill Academy. OHA is an actual school. A boarding school, but still a high school.
Huntington Prep and Findlay Prep are the two "schools" that are the most similar. Both Findlay and Huntington kids don't go to Findlay Prep School or Huntington Prep "School".
Here is an article that explains it better.
Late November augurs the start of the high school basketball season and with it, in our increasingly sports-obsessed ecosystem, national high school basketball rankings. USA Today provides a preseason Top 25, as do the prep-centric websites MaxPreps.com and Studentsports.com.
These three publications agree upon two things: (1) Findlay Prep, based in Henderson, Nev., is either the No. 1 or No. 2 high school boys basketball team in the nation and (2) Findlay Prep is not a high school.
"I understand what they are," says Ronnie Flores, who oversees the rankings at StudentSports.com and has the Findlay Prep Pilots at No. 2 in his preseason poll. "I understand that Findlay Prep is not a high school. But if another school agrees to play Findlay Prep, then I don't get into the morals of it."
Let's take a 20-second timeout.
Since Findlay Prep was founded in 2007, the Pilots have compiled an astounding 189--13 record. At some point in each of the past six high school basketball seasons it has been ranked No. 1 nationally.
In that same period, all of the lads who have played for the Pilots have qualified academically for college. In fact, 100 percent of Findlay Prep's basketball players have earned Division I basketball scholarships, which is no different from saying that 100 percent of the students who attend Findlay Prep have earned Division I basketball scholarships, which we could say without hesitation, if only there were a Findlay Prep to attend.
Confused? Good. That means you're paying attention.
To borrow a term from the digital retail age, Findlay Prep is not a "brick-and-mortar" high school. Oh, sure, Findlay Prep has students -- 11 in all this season, hailing from four continents and seven sovereign nations. Two of the students happen to be seven-foot tall. And Findlay Prep has teachers, to a degree. The "school's" full name is Findlay Prep of the Henderson International School, the latter designation referring to a private school whose teachers instruct Findlay Prep's 11 ballers and whose campus provides a basketball gym (for a price, of course).
But here's something you should know about the Henderson International School: It accepts students for grades one through eight. The Findlay Prep students attend a high school that is bereft of high school peers, and all 11 of them reside in the same $425,000 home that is located less than a mile from the aforementioned school.
What is Findlay Prep, actually? It's Real World: Las Vegas meets the most daunting AAU basketball team you ever saw. It is, fittingly in this desert oasis to end all desert oases, a mirage.
"I call it a 'destination school,' " says ESPN college basketball analyst Seth Greenberg, a former college coach. "They're taking kids from all over the country, all over the world, and providing them with outstanding and specialized instruction, while also preparing them academically for college. But should they be ranked as a regular high school? No."
Findlay Prep is the progeny of its namesake, Cliff Findlay, a physically and figuratively larger-than-life character in Sin City. At six-foot-eight, Findlay stands out in a crowd, and even if he did not, billboards and signs around Las Vegas promoting one of his myriad car dealerships (Findlay Chevrolet, Findlay Honda, Findlay Kia, etc.) would guarantee that the 64-year-old's name rings a bell. A former UNLV basketball player whose father flew 63 missions in P-38s in World War II (hence, Pilots), Findlay appears to have a genuine desire to finance his own basketball Brigadoon minus all the bother and blather of high school athletic federations or the NCAA.
Hence, Findlay Prep's students, unlike foreign students who transfer in to traditional high schools, do not have to sit out one year before playing. Conversely (even though Findlay Prep is sponsored by Nike), Findlay Prep is ineligible to compete within the Nevada state high school system or to play for a state championship. Instead, this season the Pilots will fly missions to Los Angeles, where they will play in the Staples Center; Vancouver, British Columbia; Honolulu; Memphis, Tenn.; Dayton, Ohio; Springfield, Mass.; Lubbock, Texas; and Toronto.
All of which, considering the pedigree of student who matriculates at Findlay Prep, is no different from attending a prestigious high school for the performing arts. Already five of Findlay Prep's alumni have made their way to NBA rosters, including Anthony Bennett, whom the Cleveland Cavaliers made the No. 1 overall pick in last June's draft (Bennett has, thus far, played miserably).
The existence of academic institutions that at least appear to exist primarily to showcase prestigious athletics teams dates all the way back to Groucho Marx's Professor Wagstaff and Huxley College. But institutions such as Oak Hill Academy in West Virginia and Huntington Prep in Virginia, both of which are also perennially ranked in the Top 10, have been prep mainstays for decades. The difference between such institutions and Findlay Prep is that the former have a veneer of the tail wagging the dog. Findlay Prep is a tail with no dog.
So how come publications that know better continue to rank them?
"Clearly, what Findlay Prep is doing exists somewhere between high school and college basketball," says Jason Hickman, the national basketball writer at MaxPreps.com. "There's no question it's totally unfair when it comes to ranking them."
Hickman, 36, was raised in a small town in southwest Washington and attended "a tiny school of 100 kids." He made the basketball team, he says, because "they needed the bodies," and he understands that an organically grown high school champion can become the stuff of legend, of Norman Dale and Jimmy Chitwood. But he also understands that those days are over.
"To do something like Hickory High School on a national level, just to be ranked in the Top 25, that's a once-in-50-years prospect," says Hickman. "The Findlay Preps of the world are destroying all that."
Then again, you cannot return back past midcourt without committing a backcourt violation. And you can't unteach people how to dunk.
"It's the present and the future," says Flores. "Readers are more interested in who are the top high school players as opposed to the top high school teams, anyway, because they care more about recruiting. And coaches, well some of them, want to be able to say that they beat Findlay Prep or Montverde Academy," the current No. 1.
Not that they will.
And so the result is Findlay Prep, the nation's No. 1-- or No. 2--ranked high school basketball team without a high school.
"I see myself as a writer who covers high school basketball," says Hickman. "I'm not the judge, jury, and executioner here. When high school teams stop playing Findlay Prep, we'll stop ranking them
-- Posted by PB2NBA on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 7:24 PM
It is just unreal that something like this is going on. Ther are the high school equivalents of the Globetrotters. If they are not a real high school they should not be ranked period!
-- Posted by Preacher Man Fan on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 7:35 PM
Man I sure hope that was a copy and paste and you didn't type that. I meant that it is the new Oak Hill in terms of how they are dominating high school basketball, and should for several years. Not in terms of how they're school is structured, I understand how all 3 "schools" are set up. The author even compares Huntington prep and Oak Hill. Although HP kids do go to school, St. Joseph's.
It is pretty unreal! But Huntington Prep is a real school and can be ranked nationally. Although I don't think these schools are a bad thing. If prodigy kids can go to certain schools devoted to cooking, dance, music, etc. they should be able to for sports as well. It is preparing them for their future career like the other institutions do.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Sun, Dec 8, 2013, at 8:05 PM
@ BuckMajor
Yeah, it was a cut and paste. I see your point as far a dominating. I just get pretty protective when it comes to OHA. I've known Steve Smith for over 10 years and will defend them as a "REAL" high school over some of these other schools. Which is to say that Huntington and Findlay Prep aren't even real "Prep" schools as the word Prep just happens to be in their name. The "real" prep school are mostly in the NE part of the country. They actually have 5th year players thus the Prep part. Oak Hill will play some of those type schools in only pre season scrimmages and not during the season. Steve and his kids are not affiliate with the VA State High School athletic association either. So no State Championships for them, only the mythical National Championship. Also not being a part of the state association allows them to travel all over the country and the world to play.
-- Posted by PB2NBA on Mon, Dec 9, 2013, at 11:31 PM
I fully understand that man, I would be protective as well! I like how they aren't a part of the high school association, I think that's only fair. I believe Monteverde in Florida won the NC last year, but I figure they dropped off a bit with Johnson and Hill leaving. I'm not sure who would be the front runner this year.
-- Posted by BuckMajor on Tue, Dec 10, 2013, at 12:04 AM
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I saw where Jackson is playing in Carbondale at the Saluki Showcase. Does anyone know anything about this shootout, who is playing?
Wish it was on another day, besides December 6th. I'm heading to Marshal County for the hoopfest. This is my first year going to Marshal County, has anyone been to this hoopfest. I know they always have the cream of the crop talent.
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