Let's get at least 1 post in here about this season! Things are looking up with both Porter's back in town!I look forward to seeing what they can do!!
Should be a good test Friday night vs. Iowa St. I think they finish 4th or 5th in the SEC and probably make the dance with 20 to 23 wins.
Ready for some MIZZOU basketball!
After the three year trainwreck iíll be happy if they finish above .500!! Makn the Dance wood be icing on the cake!
I think they have a good shot to be top 3 in the SEC. I think it will go:
4. Texas A&M
They'll dance and then some. Barring injuries, I think they'll be a top 5 seed and reach at least Sweet 16. They have a top 5 team, talent wise. It will be interesting to see how they gel.
Lunardi's initial Bracketology post from ESPN.com has Mizzou playing St. Bonaventure in one of the First Four games; that seems low to me given the hype for the recruiting class. They looked good for a lot of the Showdown for Relief game.
I don't think this can be a season where the school and fan base is satisfied with an improved record with the Dance being a "bonus." Porter Jr is only in town for one year, Tilmon may be the same if he improves at Mizzou. Jontay Porter will likely be around for a year or two, but the key figures for this recruiting class are not expected to stick around beyond 17-18. The Tigers MUST make it to the tournament and do well this year to boost the program's national profile and help in the recruiting efforts of Martin. Otherwise, this may just serve as a flash in the pan, especially with in-state talents signing with SLU.
They will easily finish above .500. The non conference schedule is not grueling and they have a great chance to finish top 5 in the SEC. If they gel and play to the talent level they could win the SEC. That, of course, is a big IF.
We should expect Lunardi to make that sort of projection at this point as they only won 27 games over the past 3 years. Lunardi's projection will change as the season goes on .
I'm not drinking the "Tilmon is a 1 and done" kool aid yet. Watching him play Kansas didn't give me that impression at all.
I don't disagree with the reasoning of Lunardi's projections, it makes sense for a Mizzou program to be a "Last Four In" team solely on recruiting class with limited time on the court together. I don't expect it to stay that way if things go the way Martin and Co. hope, but - as noted - that is a big if in a tough top of the SEC. Mizzou needs to play in at least the SEC Tournament semis to set a good mark going into Selection Sunday, especially with Iowa State (a team Lunardi currently considers a "First Four Out," for what it's worth) being the sole standout in their non-conference slate.
I don't think Tilmon should be a one-and-done player, but "should stay" and "will stay" are two radically different things for a young man that could get some NBA attention if he has a good season.
I think i read that all the season tix are sold out, i may have read that wrong, and that even single game tix are selling like hotcakes. So thats kinda cool!!
I've never been a Mizzou fan, football or basketball, but this will be good for Mizzou. They lost a lot from a couple of years ago. Hopefully for them, this will help the bring the student population back up.
Michael Porter who?
Seriously though, I hope its nothn serious, he seems like a great kid!
I do t think it's real serious. Heard he should be back soon. But Jontay is playing well. Tilmon needs time to improve defense without fouling, but offensive game is ahead of schedule.
I can see Kentucky losing to Florida, Mizzou, and Texas A&M. We aren't that great yet. Youngest team in college basketball and youngest Cal has ever coached. It's gonna take a bit, and time to get some offensive guys Healthy.
Tilmon got several real cheap fouls yesterday. That's okay. He's learning to play with physicality and hes very aggressive. He will be able to adjust as time goes on with experience. He's a good one.
The really impressive thing about Mizzou so far has been their defensive pressure. Granted, they have not played a team with great inside play. They will be tested at Utah later this week. A win there would be a great sign.
Cant believe Jontay should be playing in hiskool, he seems completely unfazed about jumping right into D-I hoops!!
Big test for Cats tonite Buck, are you up for the challenge? Great nite for hoops with Devils-Spartans in early game!
Jontay look solid in every aspect from what I have seen! Ready to see the squad with Jr. in the line up. If we work out a few minor issues we will be strong. Great that we have the veteran player that can lead the team now that they have real talent behind them.
Oh no not at all Ciri. I think we will probably lose bigly. Only thing that gives me confidence is sometimes these young UK teams will rise up for this champions classic and bookend it with bad performances. So they rise to the occasion. I think we win inside matchups and Kansas wins guards and shooting. But if we lose by 15 I wouldn't be surprised. This is definely going to be an end of the year Kentucky team. Gotta get guys on the same page and healthy. I'm more excited for Duke/MSU. I'll take Duke.
Hey Buck! UK definitely has work to do to gel the youth but I'll take where they are at halftime against Kansas!!
Yep, I've already seen enough to be pleased regardless of outcome for this team. And don't even have arguably our best player playing. Have taken like 12 less shots than Kansas and getting blitzed on the boards, and only down 2 halfway through the half to No.4 in the nation. Lots of room to improve, and it's all stuff that can be improved upon.
I'll take that
Me too Buck!!
They did well Buck!!
MPJ situation is kind of weird. Of course it could always be just Mizzou is handling it weirdly. Played 2 minutes, left with an injury. Report said he might return to the game, but never did. Then misses another game, no big deal. They were playing teams they could beat by 44 points. But official reports say hip, and Martin says leg. And then goes on to say he has no further information because he wants to be "respectful to Micheal and his family". Like what in the world does that mean. Now they are playing a team tonight that is a threat, and he doesn't travel and is officially out, with the statement saying he's day-to -day and will be reevaluated next week. Which again is weird. Why would their be a reevaluation in a week of a injury that was listed day to day a week ago. So I don't know what's going on. Thankfully Mizzou hasn't needed him yet, but might tonight.
Have heard that Porter may be shut down. Hope that info is wrong, but the source is a big Mizzou guy in Columbia.
Yeah I didn't include that, but I've heard similar rumors swirling. But just rumors. The respect to his family is honestly the part that caught me the most off guard, I've never heard that said on a day to day injury, I have no idea what that means. People give updates on injuries all the time.
Kid is an amazing talent, but has just been put in the spotlight since he has been 13 years old. Just starting to feel like an uncomfortable outcome with how this is moving along
It's really weird because although he did fall awkwardly on his hip in the scrimmage vs. kU, he played a lot in the following scrimmages prior to the Iowa State game. I also heard he put up 1000 shots on the day of the Iowa State game. I think if you don't see him at all prior to or in the Braggin' Rights game vs the Illini, something serious is going on. However, I don't think MIZZOU Basketball is required to tell us or any reporters anything.
I also wonder if this will affect his draft grade, at all. If so, maybe he's here for two years?
Tilmon only played 6 minutes last night and fouled out. Fouled out against Wagner too. He's averaging 12 fouls per 40 minutes. As I stated up the thread, he's going to have to learn to be aggressive on D without fouling. He has a nice offensive game, but he's going to have to be able to be left on the floor. Especially if MPJ is out for an extended period of time, he will be needed to make an impact.
I guess any SEMO fan will remember how Michael Porter = hip injury.
Kim wooda been proud of the game lasnite, coodnt hit the broadside of a barn. Zou is treating the injury like they do in hockey. In the NHL there are only 2 injuries, an upper body and a lower body injury. Getting teeth knocked out is an upper body injury.
It's funny to see Mizzou nation overreacting to a loss last night. Mizzou isn't the overwhelming pick to win the national championship. Without Porter they will have a bigger learning curve. Just common sense. A team mixed with young talented kids who have never played a physical tame like Utah combined with a bunch of upperclassmen who have never won on the road=last nights result. Tilmon will be fine once he learns to play without fouling. Being too aggressive is a way better problem for a coach to correct than it is a soft kid.
Yea, I'm not that worried. They'll bounce back, but it was odd to see them shoot so incredibly poorly. Although, they did have some poor shot selection, mainly in the first half. 2nd half was 42-40, Utah. Unfortunately, the hole was way too deep at halftime.
Mizzou fans shouldn't have overreacted. It was going to be tough to beat Utah with our without MPJ. They are a solid team. The teams in the tournament Zou has coming up won't be slouches either, they will want MPJ back for those games.
MPJ out again last night. Martin said he was seeing a specialist. Unlikely he makes the trip to Orlando tomorrow. Theres no way they let him play 3 games in 4 days. But that also means he probably misses 3 more games. And there are some good teams in that tourney like St. Johns (probably Mizzou's second game), UCF, West Virginia, and Nebraska.
If he doesnt play this season, I dont see zou breaking .500, they looked awful, barely beating a D-II school picked to finish tenth in the MIAA, 2 spots behind Kimís fighting Gorillas. Oh my....
Porter is gonna play this year. Mizzou will finish several games over .500. This is what happens when people overreact and overhype a program that only won 27 games the past 3 years. Next year and the year after Mizzou will be much better because guys like Geist and CVL will be replaced with guys like Watson/Roberts/ and hopefully courtney Ramey.
MPJR was the best player to sign this year, of course. But Tilmon and Jontay will be a bigger reason for the success going forward because they will be back next year and they are both going to be GOOD.
I think he ends up playing this year too.
Ramey's recruitment has really ramped up with teams like UCLA doing home visits. Going to probably have to beat out some major programs for him.
Ramey is Mizzou's recruit to lose. But he's not a make or break type recruit. Blake Harris is gonna be a really good player. The best part about Harris is he's a 4 year guy who will be able to really contribute next year.
MPJ is likely to be shut down. Hope the info I got is wrong...was excited to watch for sure.
I don't know if Ramey is Mizzou's to lose or not. Can you even make that statement about a guy that was already committed elsewhere? Like they literally already lost him. And he's been offered by Villanova in recent weeks. And schools like Purdue and Ohio St and Texas have all reinforced their previous offer still stands. And those teams need a PG way worse than Mizzou does. Also MPJ will have to leave for them to have a a scholarship available. And he will, but that's still not easy on a recruit, he will be waiting around. The longer you wait, the more teams that really need a PG come out in full force. Illinois was big in his recruitment and many thought he would go there. And lets not forget to address the the giant elephant in the room and why Ramey was probably going to Lville in the first place. His daddy is making that Adidas money for his AAU team. So don't think they won't still try and funnel him to one of those schools. So while he could certainly end up at Mizzou, I don't he is their's to lose.
I've seen info on him being shut down and also info about him being expected to practice this week and possibly play in Orlando. Bottom line is nobody knows for sure except the team and those closest to it. We will know when the team feels we should. Also, if MPJ and his family don't want the info to be released, it won't be.
All of that may very well be true. But it doesn't take away from the fact that Ramey is from St. Louis and Martin was not the coach at Mizzou when Ramey went through his initial recruitment. Martin, although he doesn't appear to be an elite coach, has proven to be an elite recruiter. As far as a scholarship goes, Martin would not hesitate to yank a scholarship from a bench guy to give to Ramey, or any other big time recruit for that matter. Given the new circumstances combined with what happened with Louisville, Ramey is Mizzou's recruit to lose.
There ya have it out for the season!! I quit
Just got report from ESPN news MPJ done for the season! Smh really wanted to see what we could have done this season with him, but looks like we will never no. ****
Welp, guess the rumors of the discs problems were true.
So can he go to the NBA next year or will he have to play another year at the college level?
He can go pro.
Without playing a year of college?
Yes. He just has to be out of high school for a year. That doesn't mean he will but he can.
Yeah it's an NBA rule, not a NCAA rule. Like crackerjack said, he just has to be one year removed from high school. (and age 19 or over)
OK I thought you had to play a year of college first not really totally up on the one and done rule.
It is confusing. So nope, a kid could sit at home and play video games for a year if they so wanted to, then submit their name into the draft.
WOW!But I would think his stock would be low. Hope he plays another year to bring it up.
I'm hoping all the distraction was the reason for the dismal shooting performance the past two games and now the team focuses and improves. There is still a good amount of talent and I hope they can gel somehow and make the tournament. I'll be interested to see how his draft stock is affected by a back injury. Also, I wonder if he'll remain in school for 2nd semester. That could hint at any possibility of returning to play next season. It's gonna be a tough decision for he and his family to make, but I think if he drops a considerable amount on the draft board he will return to MIZZOU to prove his worth.
He done. We will never see him in the mizzou jersey again!!
Only thing that MIGHT bring him back is to play a year with his brother in college.
At this time it's really going to be way to early to assess his draft stock. NBA teams will be presented with his medical records before the draft, and that's when we will get a better idea. Tons and tons of NBA personnel have seem him at the 2017 McDonald's All-American game, 2017 Nike Hoop Summit, 2017 Adidas Nations, 2016 U18 FIBA Americas, all the USA basketball camps, and the Nike Basketball Academy. So they know his game and are already familiar with what he can do. It's going to come down to the NBA medical evaluations. I mean it is back surgery, that's a big deal. I've said on here for two years I didn't think he would be the No. 1 pick, I think that'll be Bagley or Doncic. But I could see Ayton and Bamba now surpassing him. But he will still be top 5 I bet. And would probably only hurt his draft stock coming back after back surgery to a loaded draft the next year.
Zou will go 8-23 this year
Swampdaddy he only wore it for 2 min. lol
1 minute 40 seconds unfortunately.
Us UK fans certainly feel yall's pain losing the No.1 recruit and potential No. 1 draft pick during the season.
Not to hate on Mizzou or nothing but the past two games have been awful shooting performances. They have been distracted by this and all certainty they wonít make the playoffs this year. Maybe, next year if porter comes back.
Us UK fans lolol STFU you pay for top ten players every year don't act like u know what it's like to have this happen for us
I bet you won't ever tell me to "st*u" to my face
Buck can Uk basketball fans REALLY relate to us Mizzou basketball fans? Lol. Not the best empathy Iíve been expressed hahaha. Have to agree with Billiam on this one.
Y'all must be reading a whole different post. I didn't say anything about relating to Mizzou fans. I said we feel the pain of losing the No.1 player in the nation and potential No.1 draft pick. That's a factual statement. It happened, nothing to argue with there. I said nothing about season impact, program impact, or empathy. But I don't let anyone talk to me like that in person, and he certainly isn't going to on the internet either.
ďUs UK fans certainly feel yall's pain losing the No.1 recruit and potential No. 1 draft pick during the season.Ē
Yeah keep the internet real. But If u are denying that u were attempting to relate the two situations you're just lying to ur self. Or have poor written communication skills, I could see it going either way tbh
I'm with Buck! Just let me know when and where!
That's the only place you'd be real. No, I was relating the two situations because guess what, they relate. Not from an impact standpoint, but I didn't say anything about that. You guys read into what you wanted. Also being lectured about written communication skills by someone using "ur", "u", capital letters in the middle of sentences, and text message slang is laughable. You should probably stop now.
For a guy calling himself Shakespeare it is pretty awful use of the English language...
Haha it's okay Indian, the ole William had a perfectly good quote to sum up his posts. "is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂why? You ask. Because everyone who acts tough on the internet is most certainly not tough. Time and place? You should stop??? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's bill not will dawg, on the internet. If u want a spelling lesson u came to the wrong place. Ironically my message was clear, while your expert English skills left your message admittedly up for interpretation.
Just out of curiosity you've gone through the painstaking process of seeking out fandom of UK, do u root for bama too?
So Mizzou basketball and UK basketball are relatable? Are you sure youíre talking about the menís teams buck? Not the womenís and not the club teams correct?
Roll Tide. Lol
I will promise you this. I will provide my address, or you can provide yours. Your choice. As I said. Time and place and I'll be there!!
I guess I can explain this to you again Pimp. In the fact that they had a season where they lost a player with the same standing, yes that's relatable. Again, that's not even up for debate, it's just a fact.
Then you got Mr. and Mrs. Nelson up here trying to set a record for most emojis used in a post. We get it, you think it's funny.
I can't make heads or tails of your first paragraph Will. And I painstakingly sought out UK's fandom? They are my fan now? That doesn't even make any sense. While I have nothing against Alabama, no I root for Kentucky football. And attended their win over Mizzou.
Looks like we better be on high alert. We got a full fledged American bad*%#* on our hands!!!
I have to agree that emojis are not nearly as cool as anonymous, internet tough guys.
511 North Georgia Street
Jackson, MO 63755
Ill be there at 5 pm after work tomorrow.
It's right in the middle of town.
Near the post office.
I knew you were tough!!!
Thank You! I get the same sense about you!😂
Tough and smart. Won't see
My address on Semoball. 😂😂
Is this the Roy D Mercer forum?
TFA, Ozzie. U will not talk to buck with those emojis. He will not let you in real life either.
Mine is my reaction to the way this forum has turned
I apologize TFA.
That's ok IP I understood what Buck was saying a disappointment is a disappointment doesn't matter but then it turned ugly.
Factual Statement TFA
Well I'm disappointed whats going on with Porter because I wanted to see him play and I don't really watch college ball except for march madness
Mine is a representation of how my stomach feels. "You know I got them bad guts!"
Oh well ummm take some pepto 😂😂
WOW This thread took a turn!
Now Indianpride I just saw on KFVS 12 the other day how jackson was named one of 20 best cities in Missouri, if youíre willing to meet and fight people in the middle of the street because of some emojis and laughing at a one buck majors comment, you might just get your city bumped down out of the top 20. Címon! Lol
I think Everyone just took everything out of context and took it all the wrong way and it escalated from there or unless they were all drinking 😂
To ďchange lanesĒ but stay on the same highway...I heard a talk show mention that Mizzou might be the best basketball program out there to never make a final four appearance. I canít think of any other and have to agree. Thoughts?
Buck can UK relate to this, too? 😂 😏
Mizzou is certainly up there. I'd probably go BYU first. With a tier consisting of Zou, Xavier, Alabama, and Tennessee right below that.
Haha nope certainly can't relate to that one, only the first one I mentioned haha
im interested to hear your reasoning for placing BYU ahead of Mizzou?
BYU has 30 tournament appearances and Mizzou has 25. 27 conference regular season champions to Mizzou's 15. Two NIT championships to 0 for Mizzou. More national players of the year than Mizzou. A higher overall winning percentage than Mizzou. And no tournament appearances vacated by the NCAA. I think as a body of work BYU would be considered to have a more prestigious basketball program than Mizzou, and therefore along with the other items in my book would be the best program without a final four.
Actually BYU has only been to 29 NCAA tournaments, but that is still 4 more than Missouri.
I don't think you can compare the Moutain West/west coast conference to the big 8/12/ Sec but I'd probably agree you'd have to give a slight overall edge to BYU.
Missouri boast a better quality of players that have been drafted into the NBA.
So the NCAA isn't going to vacate the 2015-2016 season from BYU?
I'd be interested to see how many of BYU's tourney births were Automatic out of those 29. Competing versus Kansas and Kentucky every year virtually eliminates and possibility of a surprise run through conference into the tourney, as opposed to BYU competing against UNLV, San Diego St, Gonzaga(last 5 years) in which they were the best team in a bad conference.
BYU is going to have the flashier numbers but that's just because of the system they're in.
You could in fact relate it to Boise State in football. You could have *insert solid power 5 team without top end success here* play Boise's schedule and they would run the table the same way. And be involved in so many more major bowl games but does that really make them a better program.
*Teams to insert
So on and so forth
That's not so. Actually not that many, only 3 of the 29, or 10%. Mizzou has 8 automatics, so 32%.
But the question was related to best program. Not best program if, and, but these conditions were met. If ands and buts were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Merry Christmas.
A conference title in WCC and the MWC doesn't hold near the weight that a title in the big 8,etc would hold. Especially if you go back a few decades. The quality of play in the Mountain West wasn't very high.
Bill brings up some good point concerning the above matter. The more I think about it I'm. It sure, given all the factors that you could say there is a difference.
I'll say this. You'd probably be surprised to see how many games BYU has won over the past 10 years. Regardless of conference affiliation it's prettt impressive.
Who wins this year in a Mizzou vs. BYU matchup?
Buck i have to agree with you on BYU being the best program to not make a final four. Would you say Mizzou is second or are there others? I never know even thought about Tennessee. Surprising especially after their 2007-2008 team was tough!
Yeah Tennessee is a real surprising one. Have had some final 4 caliber teams over the years.
Yeah I would put Mizzou #2, but Xavier would be really close. I'd go:
And there are a ton of really good teams who have only been to 1 or 2.
As far as BYU vs. Mizzou. Boy I honestly don't know. BYU plays Alabama Friday and that'll tell us a lot more about them. MPJ has thrown me off on Zou predictions. He could erase a lot of guys errors. So other guys will have to step up. That would probably be a pretty good game.
BYU is really well coached but they're down some from last year. Without Porter it's probably a pretty even match up
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